Jakub Marian has created a map of the best European countries, ranked in order of well-being. Marian, writing for his educational blog, has created a map that ranks European countries based on their 'well-being' score. The scoring system was developed the Boston Consulting Group, and it uses 44 different indicators taking in economic, investment and sustainability opportunities to calculate the 'well-being' rating of a country over time. Their 2016 report gives Norway the highest score of 100, while Macedonia has the lowest score in Europe, 42.9. There was no data for Kosovo, and Crimea has been left blank due to its disputed sovereignty.  Linguists will note with interest that all of the countries where a Germanic language is spoken have scores over 90. Src ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Not bad for Sweden , Norway 100 dayum . |
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| I see places that the Migrant Crisis is in full swing in the top places in Europe to live. |
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| Not trustable... |
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| 71.4 for Hungary looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool whoever made that chart should pay a visit here sometime.That's some babyback bullshit, my sister couldn't get a job with a university degree for 2-3 years, not to mention the average salary of a citizen here.Though I suppose we're doing better than our other Eastern European buddies for sure, at least they got that right. |
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| What is Sweden doing that high on the list? |
| Looks like a typical list that's based on stereotypes and the biased news from the media. Russia is nowhere near as bad as Turkey or Moldova yet their scores are really close. Ukraine's score is very close to Russia's which is total bullshit. The situation in Ukraine is still very much terrible, some people don't get their salaries, in some places there's no gas, water or electricity. Ukraine should be one of the lowest, if not the lowest on this list. Romania and Croatia should have higher scores. |
| Well, Norway is a pretty damn fine and superior country to live in. :^) I suspect that that the numbers will gradually detoriate in central and western Europe, though. |
| Is it really true for Norway? Damn, that shit needs to be visited |
| well discounting the fact that shit's really expensive in Norway (hence why people living near the border tend to shop their necessities in Sweden instead), there's not much to complain about was definitely expected to top a chart like this at least |
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| Yay Germany has a 93 I was expecting something in the 70s or so, but the important thing to me is that we beat Austria, France, and England. Nothing else really matters tbh |
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HaXXspetten said: (hence why people living near the border tend to shop their necessities in Sweden instead) true , that i have heard about it. |
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| I live near the Norway-Sweden border, and I often make short trips to Sweden in order to get things cheaper, lol. The prices in Norway are a bit ridiculous if you are a foreigner. A relatively "cheap" pint of beer costs 10 US dollars, and a big takeaway pizza might costs 25 dollars. The wages are so high here that it doesn't seem that much to us, but when I've been to other places in Europe I'm always astounded by how cheap everything is. |
Milennin said: What is Sweden doing that high on the list? Lots of orgies. Meatballs. |
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| LOL Sweden at 89.6 HAHAHAHAHAA! I'd take Norway or Denmark....everywhere else is doomed. |
I hate to be that guy, but what the hell...  |
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Milennin said: What is Sweden doing that high on the list? I guess these are the raping statistics. |
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Still way better than ur country xd . To put these European scores into a global context, Marian notes that the USA scored 83.7, Japan 81.3 |
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JustALEX said: I think the violent crimes/rapes are not numerous enough to make it as a significant factor on this list.LOL Sweden at 89.6 HAHAHAHAHAA! I'd take Norway or Denmark....everywhere else is doomed. Also what about Finland? They are pretty good too. |
| 54,6... I'm not surprised |
Dave8814 said: Well, in that case, that would make sense.Milennin said: What is Sweden doing that high on the list? I guess these are the raping statistics. |
Lisbon said: Yay Germany has a 93 I was expecting something in the 70s or so, but the important thing to me is that we beat Austria, France, and England. Nothing else really matters tbh 2 world wars and one world cup though..... |
| SWFC We're all Wednesday arent we? |
| I think it shows the rough Picture quite well. Doesn't surprise me that the Countries of the Herrenrasse and the Honorary Aryans (= Fins) do the Best in Europe and the whole World. ;) A few other Things to note: Russia has been likely placed that low because of the ongoing Sanctions that hit them harder compared to the Central and Western European Countries, who still have their largest Tradepartners pretty much right next to each other. If Russia manages to get into an economic Cooperation with the EU, the Situation will not only drastically improve for them, but also help the weaker Eastern Part of the Continent. Spain looks to me like it has the Potential for great Gains in the next Decade, provided that they can have a stable Government, who can go on with the Reforms. France may even get a Top Spot, if they manage to pass the economical Reforms and drastically increase their Security. The UK and Italy don't look so good, because they lack a clear Vision and Direction. The former also has the Problem that it continues to stay conflicted about its future Course with Regards to its Position in Europe and the World. The latter has deep-rooted structural Problems where the Banking Crisis may put the Nail on the Coffin. DeathNyx said: Because? Not trustable... Lisbon said: Why not? We had had painful Reforms with low-kept Wages and a better Productivity due to our better Efficiency at Work.Yay Germany has a 93 I was expecting something in the 70s or so, but the important thing to me is that we beat Austria, France, and England. Nothing else really matters tbh Also, here's the Chart of the inequality-adjusted HDI:  The only Thing that surprises me a little is that Switzerland scores so low compared to the other two "DACH" Countries, given that they are placed better in the inequality-adjusted HDI. |
NoboruJul 29, 2016 11:24 AM
earnshaw30 said: You are just jelly that you have to repeat about your old heroic Deeds that don't matter for the Present State of Things. Also, related:Lisbon said: Yay Germany has a 93 I was expecting something in the 70s or so, but the important thing to me is that we beat Austria, France, and England. Nothing else really matters tbh 2 world wars and one world cup though..... |
| They obviously didn't factor muslim immigration into it or they are muslims. |
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ichii_1 said: They obviously didn't factor muslim immigration into it or they are muslims. This is the guy. https://jakubmarian.com/about/ What people have to take note of is "over time". A good chart wouldn't just kill a rating for one bad year. That is why P.I.G.S(Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain are under France and Germany even though all the terrorist attacks are happening. Though I do wonder how much terror attacks would affect "economic, investment and sustainability". There is no mention of safety here. |
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Rarusu_ said: Iceland should be at the top together with Norway. Sweden is the worst place in Northwestern Europe, but it's still better than most places in Southern or Eastern Europe. Well, if I have to choise between Swedish-Caliphate and Eastern Europe, I would choise Easern Europe. It's only safety for kebabs nowdays. |
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| This is just a matter of opinion. You'd have to actually live in a country to know if it's better than other to live in or not. Why is Italy a "worse" place to live in than Portugal, but Estonia and Czech Republic are better than both? OK what is the criteria and logic behind this. Explain. |
CowabungaJul 29, 2016 12:38 PM
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Cowabunga said: Why is Italy a "worse" place to live in than Portugal, but Estonia and Czech Republic are better than both? OK what is the criteria and logic behind this. Explain. My hypothesis, Well Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain have had on/off economical issues for a good amount of time but Portugal is in such a bad place that nothing has changed and it can still get worse of Italy. Thus gets a lower score. |
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Hibbington said: Cowabunga said: Why is Italy a "worse" place to live in than Portugal, but Estonia and Czech Republic are better than both? OK what is the criteria and logic behind this. Explain. My hypothesis, Well Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain have had on/off economical issues for a good amount of time but Portugal is in such a bad place that nothing has changed and it can still get worse of Italy. Thus gets a lower score. Did you look at the image. Italy has a lower score than Portugal. What you said doesn't correlate with the image. No idea how Italy is doing but the North is quite rich, and no way the poorer South can bring it down to have a lower score than Czech and Estonia. Portugal has been slowly recovering from the crisis and has had economic growth recently for the first time in like years. The person who made these maps clearly bases all of this on some stats indicators . Doubt he/she ever lived in all of the European countries to know how "good" or "bad" life is in them. |
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| @Cowabunga Bro, " it can still get worse of Italy. Thus gets a lower score." |
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It can "get worse" than Italy? You mean Italy has been in a worse state than Portugal in the last few years? That is news to me. |
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Cowabunga said: The person who made these maps clearly bases all of this on some stats indicators . Doubt he/she ever lived in all of the European countries to know how "good" or "bad" life is in them. In op " The scoring system was developed the Boston Consulting Group, and it uses 44 different indicators taking in economic, investment and sustainability opportunities to calculate the 'well-being' rating of a country over time." |
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AllenVonStein said: Cowabunga said: The person who made these maps clearly bases all of this on some stats indicators . Doubt he/she ever lived in all of the European countries to know how "good" or "bad" life is in them. In op " The scoring system was developed the Boston Consulting Group, and it uses 44 different indicators taking in economic, investment and sustainability opportunities to calculate the 'well-being' rating of a country over time." 44... that is bound to skew the final score. A country isn't a school test that can be measured by an overall score given by a teacher. You guys should not read much into this image. |
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Cowabunga said: It can "get worse" than Italy? You mean Italy has been in a worse state than Portugal in the last few years? That is news to me. No, it means Portugal has been worse. That is why I had Portuguese students at my university trying to study their way out of the country. Are you really not getting this or just trolling teh forums? |
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Hibbington said: Cowabunga said: It can "get worse" than Italy? You mean Italy has been in a worse state than Portugal in the last few years? That is news to me. No, it means Portugal has been worse. That is why I had Portuguese students at my university trying to study their way out of the country. Are you really not getting this or just trolling teh forums? Trolling? I don't get it. I was asking why Italy was lower rated than Portugal, Czech Rep. and Estonia on the OP image and what the reasoning behind that was. Yet, you're telling me something completely different. You're not answering my question. |
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Cowabunga said: Hibbington said: No, it means Portugal has been worse. That is why I had Portuguese students at my university trying to study their way out of the country. Are you really not getting this or just trolling teh forums? Trolling? I don't get it. I was asking why Italy was lower rated than Portugal, Czech Rep. and Estonia on the OP image and what the reasoning behind that was. Yet, you're telling me something completely different. You're not answering my question. Yes i did answer it with my hypothesis from the knowledge I know. "Portugal is in such a bad place that nothing has changed and it can still get worse of Italy. Thus gets a lower score." The key word in this chart is sustainability and Portugal has sustained being in the bad place it is but can maintain where they are but Italy has higher possibility of getting worse thus it has a lower score. |
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Noboru said: I think it shows the rough Picture quite well. Doesn't surprise me that the Countries of the Herrenrasse and the Honorary Aryans (= Fins) do the Best in Europe and the whole World. ;) Goddammit....not saying Hitler was right but I'm starting to believe him. >:( |
Hibbington said: Cowabunga said: Trolling? I don't get it. I was asking why Italy was lower rated than Portugal, Czech Rep. and Estonia on the OP image and what the reasoning behind that was. Yet, you're telling me something completely different. You're not answering my question. Yes i did answer it with my hypothesis from the knowledge I know. "Portugal is in such a bad place that nothing has changed and it can still get worse of Italy. Thus gets a lower score." The key word in this chart is sustainability and Portugal has sustained being in the bad place it is but can maintain where they are but Italy has higher possibility of getting worse thus it has a lower score. Ah ok. Well what makes you think Italy can get in such a bad state? And by that logic, shouldn't Spain be lower as well? |
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Cowabunga said: Hibbington said: Yes i did answer it with my hypothesis from the knowledge I know. "Portugal is in such a bad place that nothing has changed and it can still get worse of Italy. Thus gets a lower score." The key word in this chart is sustainability and Portugal has sustained being in the bad place it is but can maintain where they are but Italy has higher possibility of getting worse thus it has a lower score. Ah ok. Well what makes you think Italy can get in such a bad state? And by that logic, shouldn't Spain be lower as well? No because they have have rebounded from the economic collapse they had because of the former ruling Socialist Party. But I would agree that they could have a lower score because of the incumbent continued growth of the Communist/Socialist Hybrid Party in Spain called Podemos. |
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| @Cowabunga The university I go to would be considered a soccer/football university so we get a lot of students from England, Spain, and Italy. Last semester i was in an ethics class and two italian Students did their final presentations on the Ethics of Politics in Italy and the main conclusion was that things are going to get much tougher for the citizens of Italy because of corruption. |
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Hibbington said: Cowabunga said: Ah ok. Well what makes you think Italy can get in such a bad state? And by that logic, shouldn't Spain be lower as well? No because they have have rebounded from the economic collapse they had because of the former ruling Socialist Party. But I would agree that they could have a lower score because of the incumbent continued growth of the Communist/Socialist Hybrid Party in Spain called Podemos. Don't really know what the situation in Spain and Italy is. As for here, we seemed to be heading the right way under the center-right coalition(well not everything was perfect, obv) but I fear the leftist coalition might take us back to square one. |
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Cowabunga said: Hibbington said: No because they have have rebounded from the economic collapse they had because of the former ruling Socialist Party. But I would agree that they could have a lower score because of the incumbent continued growth of the Communist/Socialist Hybrid Party in Spain called Podemos. Don't really know what the situation in Spain and Italy is. As for here, we seemed to be heading the right way under the center-right coalition(well not everything was perfect, obv) but I fear the leftist coalition might take us back to square one. and I'm not trying to portray myself as an expert either but you learn from experience and that is exactly why I do comment on such things living far away from all of this in the United States. But it is nice to hear that in Portugal there could be change. |
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Hibbington said: Cowabunga said: Don't really know what the situation in Spain and Italy is. As for here, we seemed to be heading the right way under the center-right coalition(well not everything was perfect, obv) but I fear the leftist coalition might take us back to square one. and I'm not trying to portray myself as an expert either but you learn from experience and that is exactly why I do comment on such things living far away from all of this in the United States. But it is nice to hear that in Portugal there could be change. Atm it seems change for the worst, though. They wanna overload welfare again. Fuck the socialists. Going back to square 1 would suck. |
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Cowabunga said: Hibbington said: and I'm not trying to portray myself as an expert either but you learn from experience and that is exactly why I do comment on such things living far away from all of this in the United States. But it is nice to hear that in Portugal there could be change. Atm it seems change for the worst, though. They wanna overload welfare again. Fuck the socialists. Going back to square 1 would suck. Granted, the whole world seems to be going in debt. But Portugals debt to GDP has started to slow down in annually growth. Has there been efforts for less spending in the last year? Because that is what needs to be the focus. Lowering the debt in the country. That would be an example of economic prosper that would increase the rating. That is probably why German is so high. They produce high quality items like BMW for Exports and don't take in much Imports (this is something that annoys Greece). |
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Hibbington said: Cowabunga said: Atm it seems change for the worst, though. They wanna overload welfare again. Fuck the socialists. Going back to square 1 would suck. Granted, the whole world seems to be going in debt. But Portugals debt to GDP has started to slow down in annually, Has there been efforts for less spending in the last year? Because that is what needs to be the focus. Lowering the debt in the country. That would be an example of economic prosper that would increase the rating. That is probably why German is so high. They produce high quality items like BMW for Exports and don't take in much Imports (this is something that annoys Greece). Public expenditure is high here as is the public debt. I think the last government tried to slow the public debt down, but didn't exactly stop its growth either. Exports? Well we don't have BMWs, so can't really export that. |
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Cowabunga said: Hibbington said: Granted, the whole world seems to be going in debt. But Portugals debt to GDP has started to slow down in annually, Has there been efforts for less spending in the last year? Because that is what needs to be the focus. Lowering the debt in the country. That would be an example of economic prosper that would increase the rating. That is probably why German is so high. They produce high quality items like BMW for Exports and don't take in much Imports (this is something that annoys Greece). Public expenditure is high here as is the public debt. I think the last government tried to slow the public debt down, but didn't exactly stop its growth either. Exports? Well we don't have BMWs, so can't really export that. Well of course you don't have BMWs. That is a German company. I'm guessing you mean't items like BMWs Back to the debt. Norway, whom has 100% on the chart. Portugal's debt to GDP is 129%, meaning Portugal is so much in debt that your in debt more than your entire Gross Domestic Product. Norway is 29.5% debt to GDP. |
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Hibbington said: Cowabunga said: Public expenditure is high here as is the public debt. I think the last government tried to slow the public debt down, but didn't exactly stop its growth either. Exports? Well we don't have BMWs, so can't really export that. Well of course you don't have BMWs. That is a German company. I'm guessing you mean't items like BMWs Back to Norway, whom has 100%. Portugal's debt to GDP is 129%, meaning Portugal is so much in debt that your in debt more than your entire Gross Domestic Product. Norway is 29.5% debt to GDP. Ofc that's what I meant. Afaik, Norway's only major concern atm is the unemployment rates having climbed up there recently. Guess their oil won't live forever. |
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Cowabunga said: Hibbington said: Well of course you don't have BMWs. That is a German company. I'm guessing you mean't items like BMWs Back to Norway, whom has 100%. Portugal's debt to GDP is 129%, meaning Portugal is so much in debt that your in debt more than your entire Gross Domestic Product. Norway is 29.5% debt to GDP. Ofc that's what I meant. Afaik, Norway's only major concern atm is the unemployment rates having climbed up there recently. Guess their oil won't live forever. Well ask Venezuela, kuukuukuu. |
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